Simply amazing

[ooper]

I just wanted to share with you my recent experience with LiveCode.

I am actually a Java developer with Grails and PHP Igniter under my belt.

I am SO IMPRESSED by what you can do with the LiveCode platform. LiveCode REALLY shines in multi platform deployments: Get this, the EXACT SAME CODE runs as a controller in revIgniter (on the server-side), in a stack in IOS, and a stand-alone on Mac/Windows/Linux!

As far as I know, I can't run the JVM or PHP, or Ruby natively on IOS --unless I am connected to the Internet, of course. As such, the only language that takes me all the way is LiveCode.

I'd love a better language IDE though. I love Eclipse and LC would shine even more there...

Why isn't it more widely known? Why isn't it creating jobs?

I know I'll get a lot of disagreement, but RunRev needs a strong presence in the Silicon Valley, now!

/Carl

[jacque]

I don't think you'll get any disagreement here.

RR is always looking for ways to spread the word. If you can help they'd love to know.

[mwieder]

Carl-

I think someone just had their Aha! moment!

I've looked at building an Eclipse plugin for LiveCode before and backed down. It's a problem because of LC's monolithic binary structure. Not that it can't be done, it just seemed like more work than it was worth. Meanwhile, there are quite a few third-party plugins for the LC IDE, and I'd be remiss if I didn't plug my own

http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerTools.irev
http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/Po ... DDemo.html

You might also want to check out glx2, which is an open-source script editor plugin for the IDE. And look around in revOnline for other nifty things.

http://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2

Why isn't it more widely known? Why isn't it creating jobs?

I'll take a stab at this: to start with, xtalk isn't like everything else, so there's a built-in resistance. If an IT department wants to bring LiveCode in-house, one of the issues is going to be long-term maintenance of a project - how easy is it going to be to hire programmers to work on it over the long haul? It's a chicken and egg thing - you need a critical mass of acceptance in order to argue for acceptance. Also, LiveCode doesn't fit easily into existing development environment tools: version control etc. The monolithic stack structure is again a problem here - archiving is easy, diffing is not. And while LiveCode is brilliant for single-developer projects, trying to manage multiple developers working on a single stack or stack-and-substacks project can get to be a nightmare.

[ooper]

Thanks, Mark and Jacque for your responses.

Mark, I think you are correct on your assessments and sorry about the discouraged effort on the Eclipse plugin. Perhaps we can revive it in the near future, as I think the server-side .irev files are more like the rest of the platforms/languages like C/C++, Java, PHP and Ruby, and that together with RevIgniter and external tools would make it a more workable situation.

/Carl

[mwieder]

Indeed. My thinking is/was that a slight rewrite of a php plugin would take care of the LiveCode syntax. If I ever get the spare time to devote to something like that. Maybe I'll try to pull a BOF session together at the conference and see if there's any interest.

[SirWobbyTheFirst]

Hi Carl.

I'm glad you are enjoying my favourite language too, if it wasn't for Rev back in 2003 I doubt I would have turned into the determined computer geek that I am today. LiveCode's power is so great that I myself plan on using it for my final year project at University, of which plenty of people where shocked when they heard HyperCard had a grandchild around today, I plan on making a virtualized operating system with it and have already started plenty of parts like threads and a kernel and boot loader.

It wouldn't be a standalone OS, thats not even possible, but it would mimic a real OS as much as possible from process management to drivers and exception handling. I've done one before, hence why I have some rather strange questions on the forums such as the one titled Stack Manager from back in the day or the recent Window Manager related question, and it works perfectly and I decided to do a new version again because it was a really fun project and my skills in LC have changed a lot since last year never mind back when I started.

Never told anyone about it before but I told my uni tutors particularly Dave who is the head of the final year project about it and he claims it is a brilliant idea, nice to know that at the age of 20 my imagination is still ticking away. Hot Shiggity Giggity.

Regards, Mike.

[shaosean]

Indeed. My thinking is/was that a slight rewrite of a php plugin would take care of the LiveCode syntax. If I ever get the spare time to devote to something like that. Maybe I'll try to pull a BOF session together at the conference and see if there's any interest.

Another ex-user of Rev had a PHP module to colourize scripts and I managed to get a copy from her.. I will try to find it and see if she is okay with me posting it so others can modify it..

[mwieder]

Oooo. This is getting interesting now. I totally forgot about trying to round up interest at the conference, getting caught up in things like the lack of internet access and such.

[SirWobbyTheFirst]

I am very much interested in the status of this code you have Sean, it would be awesome to be able to code in Sublime Text 2 for those moments when I am away from the tower and I don't have a copy of LiveCode on me.

[shaosean]

Sorry, lots of files and did not see it the first time around.. Will try to schedule some time to check again..