You can call me picky but...First word shifted down?

[sphere]

Well, sorry in advance but this may sound a bit picky.
I just notice, because i was right with my nose on the screen, that the first word in an Answer or Ask dialog is shifted down just 1 or 2 pixels.
It's on LC7.1.4. not on lc8.0.2stable

Why o why is this happening? is this a bug then i will report it. (if the dev's will still do something about it...)
Anyone else can confirm?


(of course i could total switch to lc8.x.x but...i like 7.1.4 in many ways)

Thanks,
Sphere

[richmond62]

Well, the Livecode people will just say "It's EOL" which is how they keep dodging questions about so many quirks about 7.1.4.

[FourthWorld]

It's not "dodging questions", just a simple statement of fact. Like all earlier versions, 7.x has reached end-of-life and that version is no longer maintained.

@Sphere: Is this issue evident in 8.x?

[sphere]

Hello Richard,

i've checked in lc8.0.2 stable and i do not see it there. So that's positive.

But there are things in lc8.x.x that are, preventing me from using it like lc7.1.4.
These things are already reported as bugs and confirmed, like the missing panes in Object Inspector.
(i really dislike the new Object Inspector)

Also at my pc lc8.x.x is slow, it is not working as smooth as it does in lc7.1.4, like opening a script from a button. Sometimes i have to click a few times with left mouse before it allows me to use the right button to open the script.
This works better in lc7, i can right click immidiately on an object, and 2 times if another object has already the popup open.
I just tested this, in lc7.1.4 when i right click on an object then the menu pops-up, then right-clicking on another object then the first pop-up goes away which is normal and click the 2nd time the popup menu opens on the other selected object.
Do the same in lc8.x.x then you can right-click a 100 times on the other object, nothing happens. No pop-up menu. (have to check if this is already reported)

So i test the new lc8.x.x versions, but for convenient working i'll stick with lc7.1.4 for the time being.

Thanks,
Sphere

[richmond62]

Unfortunately 7.1.4 has quite a few glitches in it; but not as many as the 8 series.

It is a very great pity that 7 has been EOLed well before the 8 series has had most
of its glitches ironed out.

[sphere]

Agree, i think there's still live enough for the 7 series.
The 6 series were even still alive long enough when 7 was already there.

[FourthWorld]

I've been working with the team and many members of the community to help isolate specific areas where performance had degraded in v7 and later. The result of this work is that v8.x is now measurably much faster than v7 in general. If you've found an instance in which v8 appears slower than v7 please note the recipe here and let's see what we can do to optimize that.

As a practical matter, it simply isn't possible for the team to continue to maintain older versions. As the code base moves forward we will see older versions reach end-of-life. This is true of all software, and LiveCode is no exception.

If someone wanted to assemble a team to maintain the v6 engine as a community effort, the source is available. But given the 2800+ fixes and enhancements in v8.1 over v6 I believe it would be more work than it's worth.

8.1 is where the team is focused. In some cases regressions will be addressed in v8.0.x, but to minimize risk to that earlier version no new features are being added.

So as a general rule, when an issue is encountered in any version, it's best to try it in the most recent build to see if perhaps the team has already addressed. Often we find as we did here, that it's already taken care of.

Multiply that instance gratification by 2800 and you have literally thousands of good reasons to consider a newer supported version for your work.

As for the Inspector panes, I don't use LC's Inspector often but I don't recall missing panes. What panes are in v6 that are not in v8.1?

Given the broad scope of LiveCode script, any Inspector will provide GUI access for the subset of all properties most frequently use. Since I sometimes make use of less common properties, I made this property sheet tool to allow access to pretty much all of them, and you're welcome to use it in any version of LC (should be compatible with v6 and later):
http://fourthworld.net/revnet/devolutio ... ops.rev.gz

[sphere]

Hi Richard,

yes i agree you're right on this.
Of course we can't see behind the screens and probably that cause us to misunderstand.
But no worry, i love livecode. It's just great.

Thanks for the link, i will check it out.

Concerning the panes in Object Inspector: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18177

Is it equally save to use the 8.1 DP versions as it is to use 8.0.2 stable? I know it is dev. But if it does not matter then i guess i will use that for tests and not the 8.0.x versions.

Thanks!
Sphere

[FourthWorld]

Concerning the panes in Object Inspector: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18177

Thanks for the link. The DG is an unusual case, being the only custom control in LC. Everything else is either provided in the engine or as a Widget, each of which has its own built-in means of reporting available properties. Given the unique setup for the DG it's understandable how some of its properties wound up missing from the new Inspector that automatically populates from conventional properry-reporting methods. I'm sure GUI support for those DG props will be restored in Inspector soon.

Is it equally save to use the 8.1 DP versions as it is to use 8.0.2 stable? I know it is dev. But if it does not matter then i guess i will use that for tests and not the 8.0.x versions.

As a general rule, the most recent build will contain the greatest number of fixes. With v8.0.x if a regression is found we will sometimes see a quick build to push the fix out, but the code base merges forward so the next v8.1 build should contain the same fix.

For myself, I really like some of the new goodies in v8.1 and use it exclusively, since it's rarely more than a few days behind any 8.0.x build if any at all, depending on when each was released.

[sphere]

Ok thanks for your comments Richard.
I know what to do.
Also great i've just read that the 8.1 has improved GPS functions, i'm just stepping into that, so that's great!

Cheers!
Sphere