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Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:14 am
by richmond62
I have just bought myself an odd-shaped mouse as am getting some wrist pain:
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https://www.trust.com/en/product/22885- ... omic-mouse
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and I am very happy with it . . . BUT . . . as usual, the boy wants more . . .
It is currently connected to a machine running Xubuntu in my school.
It has
6 buttons . . .
this:
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on mouseDown MX
put MX into fld "bn"
end mouseDown
only picks up buttons 1,2 and 3 (i.e. left button, scroll button and right button) but not
buttons 4, 5 and 6.
RawKeyDown picks up the forward and the backward scroll.
Now, to be fair, the system (Xubuntu) seems "a bit dicky" about picking up buttons 4, 5 & 6,
whether macOS 10.14.whatever will do any better when I go home tonight we'll have to see.
Is this a LiveCode-specific problem, or does it depend on the operating system?
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:21 am
by richmond62
The interesting thing is that, if I click button 4 or 5 on the mouse, the grab bar
at the top of the LiveCode stack flashes in the same way as it does when I
click button 1,2 or 3, proving that LiveCode does, in some way, pick up the
button click.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:47 am
by richmond62
Tangentially, this:
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on rawKeyDown RKD
put RKD into fld "RAWK"
end rawKeyDown
on keyUP KUP
put KUP into fld "KEE"
end keyUP
on mouseDown MX
put MX into fld "bn"
end mouseDown
does not work properly insofar as the
rawKeyDown and the
keyUp are NOT
"seen" by LiveCode: obviously the
mouseDown somehow interferes with that.
This is, actually, a pain-in-the-barbeque-sauce!
If one changes
mouseDown to
mouseUp it makes not difference.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:56 am
by richmond62
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The documentation (9.0.3) as, as is so often the case, hopelessly out of date.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:15 am
by richmond62
So, it's the weekend round these parts, and I'm messing around with my 6 button mouse
on my machine running macOS 10.14.5 beta 2 and getting NO MORE JOY out buttons 4,5 & 6
that I did on the Linux box in my school, either inwith LiveCode or elsewhere.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:34 pm
by FourthWorld
Does this device ship with driver software?
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:02 pm
by richmond62
Does this device ship with driver software?
No, it doesn't, and, although I know I look as
green as a cabbage looking
I have spent donkey's ages p*ssing around with just about everyone else's
driver software to get "somewhere" . . .
. . . currently experiencing a "love in" with ControllerMate:
http://www.orderedbytes.com/controllermate/
However, as "we all know" (don't you just hate it when people write that?)
a USB's device's buttons DO send signals to the merry CPU . . .
For the sake of argument, my Belkin Nostromo 52 currently works as a sort of
cockeyed keyboard, and TextEdit (on a Macintosh) picks up letters from its keys.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:44 pm
by FourthWorld
richmond62 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:02 pm
Does this device ship with driver software?
No, it doesn't...
Beyond my pay grade. If it doesn't map it's hardware signals to standard keyboard/mouse inputs, and also doesn't provide software to interpret unique signalling, I can't imagine how it works.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:47 pm
by richmond62
ControllerMate does pickup buttons 4 & 5 of the Trust wonky mouse.
SteerMouse sorts thing out very simply:
http://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/
and this is FREE:
https://sensible-side-buttons.archagon.net/
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:58 pm
by FourthWorld
Yes, I would imagine specialized software would be needed to handle specialized input devices. Looks like they've done a fine job with that. Is that what comes bundled with the device?
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:14 pm
by richmond62
Nothing whatsoever comes bundled with the device and the website is less than helpful. . .
https://www.trust.com/en/product/22885- ... omic-mouse
BUT . . . this is not my point . . . my point has to do with LiveCode's ability
or inability to recognise input from external devices.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:51 pm
by FourthWorld
The two are related. We've had this conversation enough times that I'm surprised we're still doing it.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:00 pm
by [-hh]
Your mouse has only three OS-Buttons: 1,2,3 as usual.
One more is for switching its resolution from 1000 to 1600 dpi.
And the two thumb buttons are for navigating forward/back in an ordinary browser.
So LC recognizes what it can: mouse buttons 1,2,3 (pressing the scroll wheel is button 3).
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:03 pm
by richmond62
One more is for switching its resolution from 1000 to 1600 dpi.
And the two thumb buttons are for navigating forward/back in an ordinary browser.
Indeed . . . but as those 3 other buttons
don't work on macOS, Linux OR Windows for what
they are supposed to do, I thought it might not be a bad thing to leverage them for something
else.
Re: Sometimes a Rat is better than a Mouse
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:20 pm
by [-hh]
The dpi switch probably requires real hardware (not a virtual OS) and the browser thumb buttons probably send menu events to the MS Edge engine.
TMHO, LC can pass through only system events it can understand. Everything else will be ignored.