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Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:48 pm**

Hi everyone,

On an application I'm implementing I will need to manage objects on layers.

As mentioned on the subject, what I want is the same behaviour that can be found (for example) on Adobe Illutratior.

That is:

There are 1 or more layers
Each layer may contain zero or more objects
The objects on the same layers can be ordered among themselves, this mean that you can bring them to the top, send them to the back, etc... but only in relation with the other objects on the same layer.

Do you understand what I mean?

so, has anyone done anything like this before? anyone has any suggestion on ho to implement this?

Many thanks in advance
- Miguel

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:46 pm**

Hi.

LC is not a CAD program, where layers are essential to isolate common objects in groups that can be scaled and manipulated amongst themselves.

Wait a minute...

Groups?!!??!!

Do you need more than this? If so, write back.

Craig Newman

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:41 pm**

LiveCode's layer property for objects has always been very useful for managing groups and controls within groups, and in v6.0.2 this became even easier to work with using the new relayer command:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ ... -6_0_2.pdf

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:26 am**

@ FourthWorld : I will give a look at the Relayer command, thanks

@dunbarx :

Let me try to give you some more insight and you tell me if you thinks that groups can work.

This application will allow creation of a digital boardgame.

The first layer (bottom one) will contain one or more game boards (generally only 1 but...)
The next layer will contain map pieces (that you can move around and even rearrange like a puzzle)
The next layers will contain cards and decks of cards
And the last layer the top one will contain game tokens (whatever the token is: resources, army units, markets, etc...)

The application will allow the user to add the corresponding game components to the corresponding layer and on that layer you will be able to rearrange the components (bring to top, send to back, etc...)

The 4 main layers will never change order and all there layers/components are inside a group (what I call the Playing Area) to allow scrolling when the playing area is big.

Do you think its can be done with groups ? any suggestions on how to ?

Many thanks,
- Miguel

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:41 pm**

Do each of the four layers exist on their own? In other words, when one layer is shown, do the others go away? If so, groups may not be the right methodology. Controls within a group are locked together in space as far a the user is concerned, though they may be manipulated under script control.

Would a separate card for each layer be an option? In this sense, the entire playing field is exchanged when you navigate from card to card, with a layer on each of those cards. The controls need not be grouped at all, and they can be managed more freely.

Craig

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:43 pm**

All layers are visible at same time and the user can interact with any object on any layer

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:19 pm**

So you do need groups to an extent, due to the fact that scrolling is required.

Again, note that controls are locked in space within a group. Now this can be circumvented easily, for example:

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on mousemove
   if the optionkey is down then set the loc of the target to the mouseLoc
end mousemove

This allows the user to move with a control within a group.

As Mark pointed out, LC offer control over layers. The problem is that one might easily relayer a control right out of its group. This can be managed, though, restricting it to the layer value between the extreme ends of all the controls in that group. Another method, it occurs to me, is to create a four-tier naming scheme, whereby each of the controls within a layer share a common name part:

button "car1X", button "car2X", button "car3X"
button "car1Y", button "car2Y", button "car3Y
etc.

Or perhaps a custom property, common to all the controls in a layer. In this way you never need to worry about layer number at all. Any action that is set to be valid for a control on "layer Y" will not affect a control on "layer X".

That sort of thing. There are probably a bunch of ways to delineate the members of each "layer". I think the principle is sound. Any ideas you might have?

Craig

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:16 am**

Thanks for the suggestion.

This type of implementation was what I had in mind, but wanted to know if there were any other "simpler/better" way to do it.

Regarding re-layering ... If I have a group1 and inside it group2 and I want to modify something on group2, do I need to set the "relayerGroupedControls" of both groups or only for group2 ?

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:52 pm**

Please look up "relayerGroupedControls" in the dictionary and you will see the answer immediately

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:59 pm**

Hi Miguel,

here is an example of relayering controls within a group on the fly. There are 2 groups, innerGroup and outerGroup.
If you click on a control in innerGroup it is brought to the front within innerGroup.

Kind regards
Bernd

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:05 pm**

Thanks,

I have also read something about "start editing group..." and it seems that it also helps in this situation.

It seems that allows you to manipulate only the objects in that group without interfering with everything else

ex: you can sent a control to the top and that will bring the control to the top of all control inside that group only

I'll try to investigate this a little bit more.

Many tanks

- Miguel

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:12 pm**

Hi Miguel,

I stay away from "start editing group". Livecode does some strange things when editing groups. I would not trust except when in the IDE and actually adding to the group and some such.

"relayerGroupedControls" is the way to go.

ex: you can sent a control to the top and that will bring the control to the top of all control inside that group only

this is exactly what my script does. Or did I misunderstand you?

Kind regards
Bernd

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:31 pm**

I saw your script an did works just fine (I even duplicated the group inside and its continues to work fine)

But I'm a little bit confused about the layers.

I thought that the layers were global to the stack

Following your script:

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on mouseUp
   if the owner of the target is me then
      put the layer of me into tMyLayer
      put the number of controls of me into tNo
      set the relayerGroupedcontrols to true
      set the layer of the target to tMyLayer + tNo
      set the relayerGroupedcontrols to false
   end if
end mouseUp

If I have this objects/layers configuration bellow and I click on object 2, will get something like:

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L1 - obj1         L1 - obj1
L2 - obj2   ->    L2 - 
L3 - obj3         L3 - obj3
                  L4 - 
                  L5 - obj2

Apparently this is not the case. Why ?

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:25 pm**

Hola Miguel,

I just tested your script with some grouped groups and it works as exspected!?
The clicked object goes to the top of its owner group!
Not sure what your problem is.

Best

Klaus

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:47 pm**

As I said, it is working just fine

I'm just not getting why.

If you see the attached img, you will see the initial layer of each object.

if we click on the image (yellow square), by the code, the new layer for it would be 3+3 = 6. However, the system is only assigning it to layer 5.

This is the behaviour I'm trying to understand.

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