The day after (Help LiveCode to go back to school!)

[jmburnod]

Dear Mariasole,

We need a special edition of LiveCode for schools that is completely free and freely distributable, to teach kids how to bring out their art and identity on the essential medium that is the computer.

YES, YES and YES
I wonder if special edition of LiveCode for schools doesn't allow to make a standalone would be a probleme for you ?
Kind regards
Jean-Marc

[FourthWorld]

Meanwhile, an update: [/u][/b]after 153 days, 2 hours, 16 minutes and 7 seconds since the opening of this thread and after 65 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes and 37 seconds since my email to the Big Boss, no response has come.

After that much time, a re-send would seem useful to at least account for the possibility that the first email never arrived. Sadly, spam mitigation means some 5-10% of all legitimate email never arrives at its intended destination.

As for this thread, one hour per week is all it would take a staffer at any company to monitor most of not all relevant venues discussing the company's product, replying where helpful. That modest investment almost always shows a measurable benefit in reduced attrition rates, along with occasional new sales.

Modern product management is community building; with a product that's a platform more so, as the value of the product is determined as much by the size of its active user base as by its features.

[dunbarx]

Mariasole.

Please do resend. I think this was suggested earlier.

And I recommend (for the first time ever) that you also send to the use-list, which I feel is monitored more closely than this forum.

Craig

[FourthWorld]

I wonder if special edition of LiveCode for schools doesn't allow to make a standalone...

That seems a great option.

Such a version would be useless to anyone wanting to make money from LiveCode apps, yet students only need a way to share, and sharing within the IDE provides viral proliferation for the platform, and thereby for the company.

And it would finally put a death knell in Xojo's weekly Twitter taunt touting their free educational package while including a "#LiveCode" tag.

[richmond62]

No, surely not, Richmond states what he has stated before:

RevMedia was SO RIGHT.

It is amazing how a bottle of Bulgarian Rosé reveals many, many things.

[dunbarx]

Richard.

Do you want to send a message to Heather? If not, I will.

This seems that important.

Craig

[jmburnod]

Hi All,
Did you also watch that the messages of newbies are in strong decrease since the funeral of the community version ?
Kind regards
Jean-Marc

[richmond62]

Yes, everyone did, and why would anyone bother with something that expired after 10 days?

RevMedia (the FREE incarnation) was a marvellous idea: the full everything WITHOUT the
ability to build standalones.

[stam]

That was also floated at the time of the licence change (I’m pretty sure I asked that question myself at some point) but they made it very clear that producing a version of LC without the ability to build stand-alones would not be an option, as they felt that was still giving away their IP for free, people would just use that instead of building apps and would discourage purchase of licences.

Which of course are also valid points.

Bottom line is the previous models of distributing LC for a number of reasons did not provide a sufficient income stream - giving away 85% of the stuff for free meant that most were not inclined to buy a licence. Not being able to produce standalones but providing what the community version had would be about 75% of the paid product - for free. And that again leads to the same income stream issues….

I can’t see that changing tbh…

Also re: the comment about newbies:
how many of these newbies actually converted to paid customers?
It’s easy to try out something if it’s free but less common these users would become invested in LC without purchase of a licence.

I take my own experience as an example: Many years ago I tried the community version for a while. Didn’t really get get invested and it just dropped away.
It was only many years later that the lockdown offers made Indy more affordable for a proper “trial” that got me invested in LC, as I had paid good money for it. And only then was I converted to a regular “subscriber”.
I suspect the same was true of many opensource users: many tried, few committed, even fewer paid. Not a winning situation for the company…

[dunbarx]

The solution is simple.

Tie people up in front of a Mac (I am thinking about the scene in "A Clockwork Orange") and make them watch how easy, fun and powerful LC is.

I am astonished that most wanna-be programmers don't simply see LC as a miracle.

Craig

[dunbarx]

And in the meantime, does anyone know what the team thinks about this thread? Do they even know it is here?

Craig

[richmond62]

Do they even bother to give it or any of the very many
other suggestions about educational outreach by dedicated,
qualified educators any consideration whatsoever?

[jmburnod]

Not only school ! for old people too !
I wanted begin a coding group with retired people association as preventing Alzheimer.
I must give up this until a free version is available.
Kind regards
Jean-Marc

[dunbarx]

Jean-Marc

I must give up this until a free version is available.

Community versions are available, and if I am not mistaken, Scotland is not particularly concerned about their being downloaded.

Scotland?

Craig

[stam]

Yes i think they're honouring their previous commitment to opensource up to the point they switched away from FOSS, ie 9.6.3 (i think).
But bear in mind that with OS changes those versions will likely stop working at some point in the not too distant future...

OpenXTalk was formed to cater for this but the reality is that there aren't many, if any, C++ competent devs to continue developing this