Suggestions to increase LiveCode's revenue

[stam]

Agreed!

What is strange is that we can see it as a problem and the mother ship does not. I wonder if a bug report would give them a nudge.

S

Sadly I think they have bigger fish to fry right now - certainly other priorities...

[Simon Knight]

Sadly I think they have bigger fish to fry right now - certainly other priorities...

Oh, do they? I've not been following for a while.

S

[stam]

I’m sure LiveCode Create is receiving a of attention. Not exactly news

[Simon Knight]

I had forgotten about this new project. I've just watched one of the video's and am slightly underwhelmed.

read the following in the comments:

It’s worth noting here that stacks and cards will continue to be supported as they are now, it will just no longer be the default experience for a new user.

It seems that they are looking for new users, that is people who have never used Livecode before so I wonder how they plan to get the message out?

I look forward to typing "create an application to load a folder of images and display them in a grid of thumbnails with the option to vary their size and the amount of meta data displayed under them."

I also note a number of comments wishing them well in completing version 10, they have a point.

S

[stam]

I had forgotten about this new project. I've just watched one of the video's and am slightly underwhelmed.

Well I’m reserving judgement until I’ve used it properly… I’ve toyed around with Create a bit, and it seems OK, just incomplete. My only concern is that I need to create standalone apps, not web apps, and am curious to see how Create will do this as currently it all runs in a browser.

However my personal issue is that they seem to be wanting to go full-tilt towards a low-code/no-code experience, as if that was the reason why LC isn’t more widespread.

I’m pretty sure it’s not.
LC is an easy-code, not a no-code experience. Had LC been utilised and marketed differently it may well have been a Python killer, but that boat has probably sailed now.

Imagine if 15 years ago the engine was released as opensource like the python interpreter, marketed like Python, so you could use it with other/custom IDEs, and the monetisation came from providing a very high quality IDE. Instead they stuck with the original and frankly outdated HC paradigm.

Outdated because in many ways the IDE is still looks the HC’s IDE from the 90s and the IDE and engine are almost inseparable.
“Server” would have been the closest to this, but is difficult to set up. You can run it from the command line, but it’s not straightforward, whereas Py is.

Python as a language is a bit crude and clumsy in comparison. But it’s freely accessible, and the long ago managed to reach the critical mass needed and now there’s so many useful frameworks for it.
But it’s moot now, I suspect that window has closed

I also note a number of comments wishing them well in completing version 10, they have a point.

Absolutely agree.
Remains to be seen how Create will impact future development…

[richmond62]

Your thoughts on these points are welcome.

Some of us have been banging on about that for more than 10 years: and . . .

[SparkOut]

You're talking to the bot there Richmond

[stam]

Yes it definitely has the twang of AI generated text.
Rather obviously…

The forum seems to be subject to a bot attack today - lots of nonsensical posts…

[richmond62]

You're talking to the bot there Richmond

I should have seen that coming: the text is too perfect, and too generic.

[DR White]

I having been using LC to develop iOS and Android apps for almost 10 years and I could not have done it without LC, since I don't have a programming background. LC 9 is such a powerful software, but so easy to learn.

I have not tried their new product, but I have no desire to since LC 9 allows me to express and create the details I have in my mind so easily. I don't want some computer based algorithm creating an app that is taking my general concepts and filling the details with what it thinks I want.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[stam]

I don't want some computer based algorithm creating an app that is taking my general concepts and filling the details with what it thinks I want.

I think you may be overestimating the AI input in Create. It's a selling point, but it's not even needed for 'traditional' development.

Think of LiveCode Create mainly as an online IDE, modernised to be in line with other modern IDEs, the language more or less the same as it is now, some added conveniences (like a built in data store, widgets to access online stuff etc).

The AI bit is the cherry on the cake, but it's hardly the cake itself... well, unless they manage to transform it dramatically. It's certainly not needed in any way to use Create and it doesn't define the product.

It's cool that Create promises to deliver an IDE that will work on any device (Chromebook and iPad users rejoice!).
However I'm curious to see if and how this will compare with what we have now, which is what we all know and love... for me, unless it can produce standalones as we have now, it's of no value at all, as I can't use web apps in my deployment environment...

[DR White]

Stam,

Thank you for the clarification.

After I get a couple of my apps updated that Google removed because their API was out of date, I will have to explore LC Create.

David

[Simon Knight]

My issue with Livecode Create is that it dilutes the limited resources of RunRev away from completing Livecode 10, updating the editor in the IDE, fixing bugs, improving how widgets, libraries and stacks are shared and improving the LCB interface so that I might be able to see the icons.

[stam]

Completely agree… I guess they see this as the direction of travel.

Unless both IDEs are made to share a codebase, I can’t see them maintaining both for years to come, at least not without sacrificing something. We’ll have to wait & see…